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  1. #21
    Senior Member paulc                                                                                               's Avatar
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    excellent product, i have an 80mm +/- 8deg for sale if interested , 35 posted

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimmyA View Post
    I reckon it will be horizontal if your head angle is 72degrees and your weight's perfectly centred between your perfectly equal sized and inflated tyres. Is that what you wanted Billy?

    Ooh that actually makes sense..I had never thought of taking notice of angles before just sort of 'rode what you brung'!

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    I can't believe I gave it that much thought! It can only matter to racers with slammed steerers, everyone else can buy a zero degree stem and adjust with spacers. Imho

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    WTF?! Alcoholmagic or what!

    All things being equal (tyre pressures and volume etc) and going on your 72 degree head angle, you'd need an 18 degree stem slammed, as you put it, to get the horizontal. An inverted 8 degree would give a 10 degree rise above horizontal.

    And USE seatpost clamps are fuckin shit. I broke one long before I was the heafty beast I am these days. I 'get it', I just don't like it...

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    Deary me, that's embarrassing.

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    Bollocks to it. I've decided to go Thomson X4 100/0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan View Post
    Bollocks to it. I've decided to go Thomson X4 100/0.
    Oh, dear. I'd have stuck with the USE, tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan View Post
    Yes the USE is 8 degrees. I can only think the 0 degree stem has the effect of lengthening the cockpit VERY slightly, and adding slightly more weight over the front.
    So have you bought another bike in the wrong size then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Karlos View Post
    So have you bought another bike in the wrong size then?
    No, I was bought another bike in the size recommended by the manufacturer after taking all my measurements in the a la competitive cyclist method. FWIW, I'm between two sizes, and I chose a size smaller rather than larger because most of my riding is in tight twisty stuff.

    In actual fact my current 90mm Stem / 630 bar gives me the same length / reach as the Yeti with its 80mm/700mm combo. I want to be a bit less upright on the Enigma, so am reverting to 100 / 685.

    I don't need the Enigma to be as "chuckable" as it is.

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    Chuckleable.

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    FFS - about to order and now the 90mm/0 is in stock although it wasn't friday.

    What to do...

    The Thomson X4 has a bigger stack height than the FSA currently on the bike, so it'll sit lower, and the wider bars will extend my reach....

    Think I might stick with 90mm

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    How to amuse yourself in an Office:

    Drop Stans office chair by 4mm and recline it by 5%...then watch for the next 4hours whilst he gets increasingly agitated fiddling with it.

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    Surely you don't need to do both?

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    Thomson Elite 4x - 70mm 0deg rise 60 - quality stuff, had one on my Pha5e since 2008 and still looks like new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan View Post
    FFS - about to order and now the 90mm/0 is in stock although it wasn't friday.

    What to do...

    The Thomson X4 has a bigger stack height than the FSA currently on the bike, so it'll sit lower, and the wider bars will extend my reach....

    Think I might stick with 90mm
    Not the 100mm, then?

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    I ordered the 90mm 0 degree. It'll be 7mm lower when you take the loss of rise and different stack height into account.


    This give me 0.064577457 x Pi more front end grip, and because my shoulders are lower, a 0.000456% improvement in drag coefficiency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimmyA View Post
    Deary me, that's embarrassing.
    LOL! In Alcohol World the vertical axis is more than likely at a constant 80 degree angle to the horizontal anyway, so you can be forgiven for thinking as you did...

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